tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post1881053639044450447..comments2024-03-18T09:44:41.095+00:00Comments on ShukerNature: THE TRUTH ABOUT BLACK PUMAS - SEPARATING FACT FROM FICTION REGARDING MELANISTIC COUGARSAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15628598508836601012noreply@blogger.comBlogger109125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-91708691717707105122022-12-15T17:25:09.299+00:002022-12-15T17:25:09.299+00:00I wondered if there has been any comments about si...I wondered if there has been any comments about sightings in the Sacramento Mountains of southern NM, USA? I’ve had no personal sightings, yet neighbors on my road sighted a tawny mountain lion with a black one crossing the road in broad daylight. Friends, even my husband saw black ones crossing the hiway to and from work. I saw a jaguarundi once in the Black Range and it was black. People raised and living in the mountains know a mountain lion when they see them. I’ve wondered for years why some are black. They hunt mountain lions in the Sacramentos, but as far as I’ve ever known, only the tawny ones are killed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-91233598682042614922022-11-18T16:35:39.095+00:002022-11-18T16:35:39.095+00:00I saw 1 yesterday at California..won't give th...I saw 1 yesterday at California..won't give the location..please let them be..he seemed young..about 100 lbs..pure black..crossing a very old antique road..@a reserve with abundant deer..he was scared of my car..I doubted my self..and no time to grab my camera..but I know what I saw..@ Las Vegas I had a photo taken of a panther and me..here @California 2022..it was not a young panther ..it was more the size of a puma...and it is afraid of human..it does not seem to me he would attack humans ..mostly ..predators attack out of need of survival..only the inteligent Orca..is the only predator that plays with their victim while killing them slowly( thank God the only one that does that..is a very sadistic need operating in their frontal lobe)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-23854609180868334962022-11-18T16:14:41.065+00:002022-11-18T16:14:41.065+00:00Yes ..100 lbs..seen 2022 @ California..Yes ..100 lbs..seen 2022 @ California..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-56807510134673738132022-11-18T16:04:07.480+00:002022-11-18T16:04:07.480+00:00Yes they are sleekYes they are sleekAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-14940626192200479602022-11-18T15:59:50.637+00:002022-11-18T15:59:50.637+00:0050 pounds..no-no..what I saw yesterday @contra cos...50 pounds..no-no..what I saw yesterday @contra costa county California ..@a national reserve with abundant deer..was more than non less than a 100 lbs..and it seem to me..was not yet ..a mature Brazilian like puma..the onca-cangucu( dr. VAN ROOSMALEN photo)..it was young..and avoided humansAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-24836458202002337852022-11-18T15:50:35.138+00:002022-11-18T15:50:35.138+00:00Yes...I saw 1 yesterday @a state reserve untouched...Yes...I saw 1 yesterday @a state reserve untouched area..driving through the old mountain road..pure black..thank for sharing your info..I was doubting meself as the yana puma only appear in central and south America Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-8028914200327713132022-09-11T01:20:06.156+01:002022-09-11T01:20:06.156+01:00How are you guys. I have seen two black mountain l...How are you guys. I have seen two black mountain lions pure black in Utah and they were huge anyway that’s all I’m gonna say I don’t want nobody to find them and kill themAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-13369702664412711032021-10-31T05:48:29.829+00:002021-10-31T05:48:29.829+00:00Hi there. I’m a big fan of this site. This was an ...Hi there. I’m a big fan of this site. This was an excellent piece by you. thanks! <a href="https://www.tripadvisor.ca/Restaurant_Review-g181808-d19289126-Reviews-Treats_Ice_Cream_Parlour-Airdrie_Alberta.html" rel="nofollow">ice cream airdrie</a>ice cream airdriehttps://www.tripadvisor.ca/Restaurant_Review-g181808-d19289126-Reviews-Treats_Ice_Cream_Parlour-Airdrie_Alberta.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-53841542786760532092021-10-08T22:54:51.763+01:002021-10-08T22:54:51.763+01:00In September of 2015 I was driving down a seasonal...In September of 2015 I was driving down a seasonal Rd. In Upsate NY ( Foothills of the Adirondacks) When a HUGE muscular black cat with lighter black spots and a very long tail leaped right across the Rd in front of my car! This animal crossed the Rd in one jump and was a few ft in the air. I couldn't believe my eyes! I know what a bob cat is, I know what a lynx is I see them often as I live in the Adirondacks. This was NOT either one of those. I always thought black Panthers were solid black until I googled pictures of them and what popped up was EXACTLY what I saw! Whether anyone I told believes me or not I know what I saw and feel privalged to have had it happen to me.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09836159164251867960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-15038668697273329272021-08-28T17:13:39.103+01:002021-08-28T17:13:39.103+01:00Thanks very much - like you, I'd love to see a...Thanks very much - like you, I'd love to see any unambiguous photos of melanistic pumas, especially with so many unconfirmed reports on file down through the years and from many different regions of North America.<br />Dr Karl Shukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222845702628862829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-10152437798597464752021-08-28T02:52:01.488+01:002021-08-28T02:52:01.488+01:00I am a park ranger at Redwood National and State P...I am a park ranger at Redwood National and State Parks in NW California, and we get reports of melanistic pumas every now and then, both solid black and two-tone. I too am eager to know whether this genetic mutation exists, but as of yet we haven't seen a single photograph. The Yurok people adjacent to the park say numerous sightings occur on their tribal lands, but of course... no photos. I led a YCC group into the Bald Hills of our park hunting down invasive plant species in 2009,and we had a sighting there, but I hadn't made it around the hill in time to confirm it for myself. And today we had a report of a black puma slinking up Squashon Creek at Prairie Creek Redwood State Park... still now photos yet! I will let you know if a pic ever comes our way! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13249035691609153099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-75718309592961004702020-11-26T19:08:00.878+00:002020-11-26T19:08:00.878+00:00This article was a very interesting read. It's...This article was a very interesting read. It's funny beause I always thought this (a black puma) was a common type of animal? Anyways, I'm researching on it because recently I have been having dreams with these and have been receiving some signs related to it, and the appearance really matches that of the yana puma. I live in Brazil, and although I have lived for some years in the Amazonas, I was very little and I'm not so sure about sightings of such animal... but I always thought they were common, it seemed natural to assume so. In my dreams, the location in which it occured and your description of the animal match perfectly: "this particular Peruvian mystery cat is said to be entirely black, lacking any form of cryptic markings, has large green eyes, and is at least twice as big as the jaguar. Moreover, the Quechua Indians term it the yana puma ('black mountain lion'). This account immediately recalls Conan Doyle's story of the immense Brazilian black cat. The yana puma is apparently confined to montane forest ranges only rarely visited by humans, at altitudes of around 1600-5000 ft.", except it was very rocky and had several caves. Most of the dream happened in one particular cave that I know that felt like its lair. The most interesting thing was the big, light green eyes, I don't think I can ever forget those. And even though this is no real, true evidence, I do find it curious and I'm sure that even if it gets somehow confirmed they don't exist anymore, they certainly did at some point in time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-81879702096636420012020-11-24T23:12:17.653+00:002020-11-24T23:12:17.653+00:00Check out the facebook group NL Big Cat Sightings....Check out the facebook group NL Big Cat Sightings. Since the 60s there have been sightings of both tan and black cats (wildlife still denies the existence of either on the island due to inconclusive evidence). From the stories I have heard there were tan cats dropped here by a hunter in the 60s. He never caught them. Then years later another tan cat escaped when a circus truck was in a car accident. There are still sightings of both tan and black cats, but black seems to be predominant. Its a mystery I have heard about my whole life and I have always wondered where the black ones came from.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04625182453898540216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-37834320394742761972020-08-22T01:38:31.857+01:002020-08-22T01:38:31.857+01:00About 1985, I saw for several days 2 adolescent co...About 1985, I saw for several days 2 adolescent cougars, they were jet black. 200 yards, through 10 power binoculars. They were playing together, in the open, in the sun. Location. Los Altos Hills CA. <br />In tuolumne County CA, I believe i have seen the same lion twice in 2 years.It was dark brown, like Schreber's drawing above. Both sightings about a mile apart. Last sighting 8/19/20 Location Lyons lake road/trail from Confidence, the old rail bed. I biked up behind the lion both times, about 200 feet away. <br />Say what you want, this is what I saw. Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17898528727017891948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-64524469734832832332020-04-24T08:03:05.226+01:002020-04-24T08:03:05.226+01:00Biologists are quite mistaken to say that black pu...Biologists are quite mistaken to say that black pumas, (felis concolor) (we've always called them cougars or mountain lions) do not exist. They may be EXTREMELY rare, but at least ONE existed. In 1975 my kid brother Charlie, and his friend, Anthony took my dog for a walk and encountered one. This was in the woods less than 1/2 mile from a subdivision (housing tract) Fairwood West near Renton, King County, Washington State, USA. Not far from Seattle. We frequently heard Cougars from the forested hills not far away. My brother and his friend encountered a black cougar. My dog stood between my brother and his friend and growled and barked. The cougar decided that discretion was the better part of valor and retreated. I'd never heard of a black cougar and neither had my brother. He and his friend were both 7 at the time and I was 21. He did not say "Gray" or "Silver-Gray", or "Dark Brown" he said "Black". I know he was telling the truth because he was TERRIFIED. There are many cougar sitings in our area because humans are building further and further out into the woods. I've never heard of a cougar attacking a human locally. If you e-mail me I will give you a more detailed account. If you send me a mailing address I will send you maps of the area, photos(at least of my brother at & and the dog) and an account from my brother in his words. At the time, I didn't know that there was anything remarkable about a black cougar. Never heard of a gray one. Only in the last couple of years have I had any interest in Cryptozoology and learned they were controversial. Your article said they may have existed once. No doubt a few modern Cougars have inherited some genes from this cat, which though usually unexpressed, rarely produce a throwback. I recently read an article about how many unexpressed genes we have, some even from viruses. Someday, unless someone captures a live example, when the total genome of felis concolor has been sequenced, the matter will be settled. Jon T. Todd (jonttodd@yahoo.com) <br /> Jon Toddnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-37172655763700209932020-01-20T12:49:16.371+00:002020-01-20T12:49:16.371+00:00Very nice and interesting article Very nice and interesting article SPAhttps://srilanka-massage.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-78360805983022508832019-12-28T21:27:38.755+00:002019-12-28T21:27:38.755+00:00Hi Dr.Shuker, thanks so much for posting the video...Hi Dr.Shuker, thanks so much for posting the video and identifying the puma I captured. This is very interesting knowledge. I've set many trail cams (in Southern California), so I'll be sure to be on the lookout for the mysterious "black puma".Austinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-61777664684799379332019-12-28T02:01:46.765+00:002019-12-28T02:01:46.765+00:00Found it, or one very similar to it, featuring a b...Found it, or one very similar to it, featuring a brown puma cub with a grey puma cub, both still possessing spots (which are lost as the cubs grow older): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PntYVa-wst4Dr Karl Shukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222845702628862829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-36401088505941654832019-12-28T00:52:04.682+00:002019-12-28T00:52:04.682+00:00Hi Austin, Very interesting video, thanks for link...Hi Austin, Very interesting video, thanks for linking to it above in your comment! Although not widely realised, the puma (aka mountain lion aka cougar) occurs in two confirmed but very different colour forms or morphs - the familiar brownish-red morph and the less familiar grey morph, which can appear darker than the brown one. I suspect that the first puma in your video is a dark grey puma and the second one the more familiar brown one. I saw on YouTube once a video of two puma cubs next to each other, one of which was brown, the other one dark grey, and they looked very different, with the grey one darker than the brown, and yet both forms can occur within a single litter (thereby proving that they are not separate species or sub species, merely genetically-induced colour forms). I'll see if I can find that video, and if I do I'll post a link to it here. All the best, KarlDr Karl Shukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222845702628862829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-39718562901385159732019-12-27T20:24:58.365+00:002019-12-27T20:24:58.365+00:00Captured a different looking mountain lion on my w...Captured a different looking mountain lion on my wildlife cam. The cat doesn't appear to be totally black, but much darker than all the other lions I've captured. Any thoughts on this? Here's the link:<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xqw_mzodScAustinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-28809999492834787982019-08-04T05:27:32.739+01:002019-08-04T05:27:32.739+01:00Still no update? Reading about it here really peek...Still no update? Reading about it here really peeked my interest, as it reminds me of the one I saw, as impossible as it may be. Even tho authorities claim the Eastern mountain lion is extinct,they're are still mountain lions here, I cant count the number of people I know that's seen them. And even though science claims there is no "black Panthers" here, I know of 5 people that have seen them, most recently a neighbor seen a black one along with a litter of kittens. Years ago we had a game cam picture of what appeared to be a very large, black felid. Nothing concrete of course, but the muscly leg and long tail looked more feline than canine to me. Reading the above description of a black puma being white underneath makes me want to ask the neighbor more specifics about the one he saw. It also made me more confident in what I had seen years ago, for when I had told my friends and family about they told me I must have been mistaken because the black Panthers are solid black and don't have any white on them. <br />As I said, Impossible as it may seem, this is what happened:<br />Approximately 20 years ago I was riding to town with my grandmother, there was a long straight stretch, maybe several hundred yards or so, and the house at the end of it had a bunch of pine trees planted along the road. As we approached the yard with the trees described, I saw it walking along the road toward us, between the road and the trees. We had to slow down because of sharp turns ahead so I got a pretty good look at it. It looked big, bulky, muscular, had a pretty large cat head, had a long slender tail, it was solid black, except for under his head, when he looked up at the car his neck/chest was white. As I said later on as I told people they said I must have been mistaken because of the white I saw. So reading this has peaked my curiosity even as impossible as it may seemAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05540355697894069218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-39797399982230291192019-07-18T12:19:49.320+01:002019-07-18T12:19:49.320+01:00Very nice page! Learned everything about pumas and...Very nice page! Learned everything about pumas and their melanistic appearance!!Foto.1864https://www.blogger.com/profile/17966728896670555117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-26196858145106919742018-12-23T12:35:39.161+00:002018-12-23T12:35:39.161+00:00Sadly, no additional news re the skull or pelt.Sadly, no additional news re the skull or pelt.Dr Karl Shukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222845702628862829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-37614135271593193772018-12-23T10:49:45.195+00:002018-12-23T10:49:45.195+00:00:o Soooo many comments! Well, cats are fascinating...:o Soooo many comments! Well, cats are fascinating and inspiring, perhaps more so than any other predators.<br /><br />I just want to ask if there's been any results from the DNA analysis of Dr Marc Van Roosmalen's onça-canguçú pelt, or indeed results of comparing its skull. I had a little web search, but found much more about the man than the cat. The only page I found with specific info on the cat (apart from the one to this post) is a wikia article written this year but with no new concrete info over this post. The doctor's own website appears to be in Vietnamese! Perhaps he's now working there, if it's still his website at all. Anyway, given the large number of new species to his credit and his apparent status as a primatologist, I guess the cat may have been pushed down his to-do list. ... I'm obviously a cat-lover, because this possibility annoys me! :)<br /><br />http://cryptidarchives.wikia.com/wiki/On%C3%A7a-cangu%C3%A7%C3%BAEthan Gardenerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04477704222423568933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-66460489838456757252018-12-19T18:11:22.245+00:002018-12-19T18:11:22.245+00:00I've been interested in cougar sightings in th...I've been interested in cougar sightings in the East(I live in North Carolina) since childhood, and find that the Big Cat sighting phenomenon has a LOT in common with Bigfoot and giant water critter sightings! Although I think we WILL have a reproducing population of cougars here eventually(especially in the Appalachian Mountain chain, which is IDEAL cougar habitat), as they expand naturally Eastward, I don't think we do YET. As for the whole black cougar/panther notion, I have had the sad(so sad!) experience of seeing so-called professionals I work with(I work in a large zoo) who were called in to look at a very clear video taken of a supposed "black panther" nearby, by a woman who swore it was as big as a Labrador Retriever. I was asked to look at the video, which was a very nice one of an OBVIOUS black housecat(a BIG old wide-cheeked tom, but felis domesticus, nonetheless!) It also AMAZED me that no one thought to look for TRACKS, as the film was taken during a recent snow. I was sent out to look for tracks, and of course all I found was housecat tracks! A HUGE cage trap was set(my influence and opinion not being valued particularly, and/or just not as interesting!) which eventually caught--you guessed it, a black housecat! But people still denied it and INSISTED they saw a "panther"! The local news crews and law enforcement turned it all into a 3-ring circus--and I learned that yes, many people DO see a black housecat and cry "panther"! Hard as that may be to believe! Even the so-called "experts"! This SAME phenomenon happened a few years later, with this time a tan-colored housecat claimed to be a LIONESS!!(tabby marking clearly visible on it's tail!) It was filmed walking across a frozen pond in North Carolina(where virtually no pond ever freezes enough to support a 250+lb.lioness!) by a woman from her deck, and she was TERRIFIED! Another field day from the local zoo officials, press, and law enforcement, although local Wildlife Officials tried to tell them it was just a housecat. I was not asked my opinion at all this time, having been such as spoilsport during the last go-round!.....to be continued....lane batothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05920572802463299130noreply@blogger.com