tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post411406531582819738..comments2024-03-22T21:58:18.933+00:00Comments on ShukerNature: IN CONFERENCE WITH NESSIE AT EDINBURGH 25 YEARS AGO - A RETROSPECTIVEAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15628598508836601012noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-53628103960072639352012-11-24T17:25:25.748+00:002012-11-24T17:25:25.748+00:00Fish runs are regularly monitored with underwater ...Fish runs are regularly monitored with underwater cameras even today. These schemes have not to my knowledge uncovered any evidence for anadromous sea serpents.Gunnarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09160004621405227245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-28714793180976788392012-10-16T20:27:49.648+01:002012-10-16T20:27:49.648+01:00Where ever the fish runs are best nowadays one cou...Where ever the fish runs are best nowadays one could set a camera to record the sea serpent in the river, whether that is at Loch Ness or another river. If the Loch is a place they gave birth then the instinct to return there would be strong but may have been largely defeated by modern developments. The sea serpent would readily pursue fish runs at other rivers and adapt so then it would give birth at another location.Laurence Crossennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-87661067395824218122012-10-15T20:25:25.950+01:002012-10-15T20:25:25.950+01:00If the creature comes and goes, as Rupert Gould pr...If the creature comes and goes, as Rupert Gould proposed, then this gives us a testable prediction. If it visits for fish runs and the fish runs do not take place as much as they used to due to the dams, then it might visit less frequently. If it gave birth in the lake about the time of the fish runs to provide safety and food for its young, then it might not try that as often anymore.Laurence Crossennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-75643827834709516692012-10-15T11:00:21.462+01:002012-10-15T11:00:21.462+01:00Hi there, Yes he did change his mind, as have quit...Hi there, Yes he did change his mind, as have quite a few Nessie seekers over the years re its possible identity, with the late Dr Maurice Burton perhaps exhibiting the greatest about-face, from an initial believer to an avowed sceptic. It was certainly a most interesting meeting, which I'm sure you would have enjoyed. All the best, KarlDr Karl Shukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222845702628862829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-41496780258120695252012-10-15T09:00:43.215+01:002012-10-15T09:00:43.215+01:00Thanks for that, I wish I had been there in 1987!
...Thanks for that, I wish I had been there in 1987!<br /><br />You say Dr.Mackal put amphibians way down his list. You will note the animal on the cover of his book is a modified amphibian which was top of his list.<br /><br />Can I presume in the ten years between his book and the symposium, he had a change of mind?<br /><br />Glasgow Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03597014995112568086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-68948960549802205382012-10-14T21:33:23.420+01:002012-10-14T21:33:23.420+01:00Ball lightning, Fermat's Last Theorem (until f...Ball lightning, Fermat's Last Theorem (until finally resolved), locating the God Particle (opinion still divided as to whether it has been located), the reality of meteorites (until resolved after having been dismissed as nonsense for centuries), etc etc. And what proportion of LNM investigation has been truly scientific anyway? Not a high one, as science has tended to turn its gaze away rather than confront the mystery. Re the Surgeon's Photo: I agree that it MAY show a miniature subject, but where and what is it? Don't suggest a miniature submarine that conveniently sank out of reach to the loch bottom and for whose existence there is no more tangible evidence than for the LNM itself. Why should a supposed deathbed confession by someone whose relative just so happened to have previously been publicly humiliated by the LNM saga be considered more reliable than the eyewitness reports of LNM observers? And how do we know that the LNM lives permanently in the lake anyway? Depending upon its identity (if it truly exists), it could be a species able to migrate from one freshwater body of water to another, or even migrate back and forth from the sea. I agree entirely that the LNM phenomenon is mystifying, but it certainly warrants investigation.Dr Karl Shukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222845702628862829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-37684548918442879372012-10-14T20:55:14.997+01:002012-10-14T20:55:14.997+01:00What's most striking to me is how there hasn&#...What's most striking to me is how there hasn't been a single significant development in the field of Loch Ness Monster study in the last 25 years. Believers still write unconvincing apologies to explain why the St. Columba story should be taken more seriously than the stories of frogs turning into flowers and people spontaneously changing sex that share the the same book with it; the Surgeon's Photograph still obviously shows a miniature subject, something that was clear even before the hoaxer's confession; and Rine's completely retouched photographs are still treated as if they were taken from life. Yet there's still not a single scrap of physical evidence for a creature that's supposed to live in one smallish (in the grand scheme of things) lake in a modern country after 25 years of looking. Can you name another scientific endeavor that could still be taken seriously if it failed to move forward at all in quarter century?Scott Hamiltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01239391361895323698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-32196113083349911102012-10-13T21:26:36.998+01:002012-10-13T21:26:36.998+01:00Even Henry Bauer seems to me to misunderstand the ...Even Henry Bauer seems to me to misunderstand the idea of a sea serpent coming from the sea occasionally. It can still swim in by river and even with a dam if it can locomote on land by vertical undulations. It is not limited to arrival long ago. If it is a basilosaur-like cetacean, as I suppose, then it might pursue fish runs and give birth there. This is more like what Rupert Gould expressed in his Case for the Sea Serpent than what Bauer thinks.Laurence Crossennoreply@blogger.com