tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post4952775003361082269..comments2024-03-18T09:44:41.095+00:00Comments on ShukerNature: EXPOSING ANOTHER BLACK LION PHOTOGRAPH AS A FAKEAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15628598508836601012noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-35743660166843415002024-01-21T23:55:05.609+00:002024-01-21T23:55:05.609+00:00Сообщение о льве который жил в Сальвадоре он убива...Сообщение о льве который жил в Сальвадоре он убивал людей .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-85105241709205378852023-08-01T02:56:07.177+01:002023-08-01T02:56:07.177+01:00Wow! I bought into one of these photos. I thought ...Wow! I bought into one of these photos. I thought it was the coolest thing I’d ever seen. Thank you! I’ve found both of your blogs full of interesting facts about these beautiful cats and hybrids. I’m excited to see and read your book. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-46810316315762050922013-08-28T04:45:40.486+01:002013-08-28T04:45:40.486+01:00I and my wife and son saw a black cougar on reed i...I and my wife and son saw a black cougar on reed island bc canada some years back. sadly we didn't take a picture. we were on our boat tied to the dock and he on the shore very near. we did not know they were rare or non exsistant till we started telling people. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-14388251149139022852013-05-04T18:24:12.292+01:002013-05-04T18:24:12.292+01:00This second generation hybrid would be a ti-liger,...This second generation hybrid would be a ti-liger, which I haven't encountered details of as yet. However, I know of severa other second generation hybrids of lions, tigers, and lion x tiger hybrids. Here is what I wrote about such creatures in my book Cats of Magic, Mythology, and Mystery (2012):<br /><br />"First-generation mammalian hybrids are usually sterile, but can occasionally produce second-generation hybrids if back-crossed with a specimen of either of their parental species. At Munich Zoo in 1943, a female liger that had mated with a male lion gave birth to a female cub. This complex crossbreed, termed a li-liger, was successfully raised to adulthood.<br /><br />"On 16 September 1983 a tigon named Noelle gave birth to a back-cross hybrid cub dubbed Nathaniel, at a private animal reserve called Shambala founded by film actress Tippi Hedren and her husband. The cub's father was a Bengal tiger called Anton - in technical parlance, therefore, Nathaniel is known as a ti-tigon. When fully-grown Noelle resembled a larger-than-average, long-limbed tigress, though some of her stripes were closed loops rather than solid markings, but Nathaniel was even more tigerine - which was to be expected, considering that his father was a pure-bred tiger and his mother was half-tiger.<br /><br />"Noelle seemed to recognise this too, as revealed by a curious behavioural quirk. In her absorbing book The Cats of Shambala (1985), Tippi Hedren recalled that Noelle could 'speak' both in the language of the lion and in that of the tiger. Mostly, she seemed to prefer 'lion-talk', but whenever she communicated with Nathaniel she always spoke in 'tiger'.<br /><br />"As a juvenile, Nathaniel was quite a pawful, due to his difficult temperament and huge size, towering over pure-bred tigers and lions of comparable age - but this did not perturb Noelle. If boxing his ears with her paws failed to subdue him, she simply sat on him - as Nathaniel was almost her equal in stature by then, this ploy was surprisingly successful.<br /><br />"On 17 April 1984, a cub was born to a liger called Julie, one of four housed at a private big cat park owned by the Vicomte Paul de la Panouse, and situated at Thoiry, near Paris. On this occasion, the cub's precise identity was something of a mystery, because no-one knew whether its father was one of the park's lions (thus making it a li-liger) or one of Julie's brothers (it would then be a liger x liger hybrid, or lig-liger for short).<br /><br />"The largest type of pure-bred big cat is the Siberian (Amur) tiger Panthera tigris altaica, up to 10 ft in total length. But for the world's largest individual big cat prior to Hercules, we must turn to Alipore Zoological Gardens in Calcutta, India - where, from 1979 to 1991, there lived a truly remarkable felid called Cubanacan.<br /><br />"Sired by an Indian lion, and with a tigon as his mother, Cubanacan was a male litigon or li-tigon, and gave voice to a lion's roar rather than a tiger's growl, though it was not so frequent, long, or deep as a pure-bred lion's. He had a mane too, but his tawny fur was banded with black fading stripes.<br /><br />"It was his size, however, that was so astounding - boasting a total length of 11.5 ft, a shoulder height of 4 ft 4 in (8 in taller than Simba, the largest zoo lion ever recorded), and weighing at least 800 lb (his irascible temper prevented anyone from obtaining an exact figure). Cubanacan was most likely sterile, as he never sired any offspring - but as there is a chance that such animals would have attained an even greater size, this was probably no bad thing!"Dr Karl Shukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222845702628862829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-10689916582747769812013-05-04T16:57:18.662+01:002013-05-04T16:57:18.662+01:00Has there ever been an attempt to breed a fertile ...Has there ever been an attempt to breed a fertile female Liger with a natural male Tiger? And, if so what were the results? Brittany Dawnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-53362727552891844052013-04-24T13:34:09.362+01:002013-04-24T13:34:09.362+01:00Wow, I read both of your blogs. I guess that's...Wow, I read both of your blogs. I guess that's what they are called. They are very interesting and to the point. Written in plain English. Thank you for verifying that black lions don't exist. I appreciate your time for the education. I'll look for your book, too. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00424399163402258647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-86084415300485970322013-02-20T18:59:27.036+00:002013-02-20T18:59:27.036+00:00@Ben - the mutant gene allele for melanism in the ...@Ben - the mutant gene allele for melanism in the jaguar is different from the one causing it in the leopard. Perhaps, therefore, neither of these mutant gene alleles has ever arisen in the lion or tiger. Having said that, there have been so many reports of black tigers that it seems more likely that such an allele has indeed arisen in the tiger but has simply died out due to the dramatic fall in tiger numbers. In the lion, conversely, such an allele may always have been exceptionally rare - after all, a black lion or lioness on the African savannahs would be extremely conspicuous, and therefore hamper its hunting prowess, whereas a black jaguar, leopard, or tiger would be well camouflaged in their shadowy junglelands.Dr Karl Shukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222845702628862829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-9789854815163237362013-02-20T18:54:50.312+00:002013-02-20T18:54:50.312+00:00Thank you so much - glad you like it so much!Thank you so much - glad you like it so much!Dr Karl Shukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222845702628862829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-12921334427250576192013-02-20T16:04:28.852+00:002013-02-20T16:04:28.852+00:00I am LOVING your page! Just found it, will be back...I am LOVING your page! Just found it, will be back :) Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-35681570542644982302013-02-17T03:03:51.412+00:002013-02-17T03:03:51.412+00:00Why is it that it is more common in Jaguars and Le...Why is it that it is more common in Jaguars and Leopards to produce melanistic offspring, but so rare (or even non-existent) in lions and tigers? Ben Churchillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06656127593787414986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-59801808965726798672013-01-21T21:32:55.280+00:002013-01-21T21:32:55.280+00:00@Paolo - As yet, there are no verified specimens o...@Paolo - As yet, there are no verified specimens of black lions anywhere, only unconfirmed reports.Dr Karl Shukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222845702628862829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-35041858829248878602013-01-21T08:11:25.147+00:002013-01-21T08:11:25.147+00:00dove si può vedere un VERO leone nero?dove si può vedere un VERO leone nero?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10605780821878986078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-11407444412876113542013-01-16T01:31:11.446+00:002013-01-16T01:31:11.446+00:00They aren't. Male ligers seem invariably to be...They aren't. Male ligers seem invariably to be sterile, but a few female ligers have been fertile, and when mated with pure-bred lions have given birth to viable cubs. As noted in my latest book, Cats of Magic, Mythology, and Mystery (CFZ Press: Bideford, 2012): "At Munich Zoo in 1943, a female liger that had mated with a male lion gave birth to a female cub. This complex crossbreed, termed a li-liger, was successfully raised to adulthood." Dr Karl Shukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222845702628862829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-49369828841096622392013-01-15T22:49:31.430+00:002013-01-15T22:49:31.430+00:00why are all ligers sterile?why are all ligers sterile?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06470872891673869801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-86026650942868144552012-12-23T00:58:40.561+00:002012-12-23T00:58:40.561+00:00If a lion yields a spontaneous mutant gene allele ...If a lion yields a spontaneous mutant gene allele expressing melanism, a black lion could result, especially if the allele is dominant. If receissive, two copies of this allele, one from each parent, would be needed, and as such an allele would be exceedingly rare, this is not likely to occur, but not impossible. Melanism is very common in certain cat species, such as the leopard and jaguar (though different mutant alleles are responsible in these two species), but not in others. There have been reports of black lions in the wild, but none has ever been confirmed; ditto for black tigers too, incidentally.Dr Karl Shukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222845702628862829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-40708172725698877352012-12-21T20:04:36.957+00:002012-12-21T20:04:36.957+00:00So there is no way for a black lion to be real?? So there is no way for a black lion to be real?? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-64411467033811411072012-11-20T01:04:42.751+00:002012-11-20T01:04:42.751+00:00Yes, it is spectacular but I've already docume...Yes, it is spectacular but I've already documented that one at http://www.karlshuker.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/black-lions-manipulation-melanism-and.htmlDr Karl Shukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222845702628862829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-41000958050859892922012-11-20T01:01:29.984+00:002012-11-20T01:01:29.984+00:00This one is cooler :) http://fc06.deviantart.net/f...This one is cooler :) http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/158/0/9/black_lion_wallpaper_by_paulie_svk-d52lazs.pngAdrienne Driggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08984608046231160206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-76721630149209057422012-10-03T02:46:49.813+01:002012-10-03T02:46:49.813+01:00Forgive me. But at least we now know that it appea...Forgive me. But at least we now know that it appeared no later than Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:54 am,<br /><br />http://www.atomicthinktank.com/viewtopic.php?p=429439, <br /><br />as you may have already noticed, I suppose? Then maybe ProdigyDuck could offer a clue?<br /><br />http://prodigyduck.deviantart.com/ <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-31312855492936530072012-10-02T19:00:13.925+01:002012-10-02T19:00:13.925+01:00I've already done this, which is how I know th...I've already done this, which is how I know that the fake photo has appeared on a number of websites, but sadly none of them offers clues as to who created it.Dr Karl Shukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222845702628862829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-12942061486309487322012-10-02T03:39:59.247+01:002012-10-02T03:39:59.247+01:00Drag and drop the fake image into the search box o...Drag and drop the fake image into the search box on images.google.com! Do you feel lucky? Well....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com