tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post6704529071807663158..comments2024-03-22T21:58:18.933+00:00Comments on ShukerNature: DOES THE LOCH NESS MONSTER HAVE A SPLIT PERSONALITY? REVEALING NESSIE'S STRANGEST IDENTITIESAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15628598508836601012noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-72163629117323088212021-07-02T19:02:20.177+01:002021-07-02T19:02:20.177+01:00I agree entirely that there is no single identity ...I agree entirely that there is no single identity responsible for Nessie, that Nessie is in fact a composite, 'created' by erroneously lumping together all manner of different creatures and phenomena. This happens a lot in cryptozoology (as with sea serpents, British mystery cats, the Nandi bear, thunderbirds, etc), and is why, as yu'll have seen, I make the following statement in my above article: "My own belief is that there is no single answer to the mystery of Nessie – instead, I consider it most likely that what we refer to as the LNM is in reality a composite of several different phenomena."Dr Karl Shukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222845702628862829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-85501022501751965362021-07-02T09:21:29.216+01:002021-07-02T09:21:29.216+01:00There is no, nor will there ever be, an explanatio...There is no, nor will there ever be, an explanation of “Nessie.” The name, as Adrian Shine wryly put it, is merely an ad hoc category for anything anyone sees at Loch Ness that they do not recognize or understand. Nessie is a bunch of unrelated things, but more often than not, Nessie is a boat wake. That’s most of sightings right there, the wake of a boat.Joseph Charles https://www.blogger.com/profile/02849704279926794392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-64847796246876972942020-08-01T18:36:57.737+01:002020-08-01T18:36:57.737+01:00Mackal didn't suggest a eunuch eel, merely an ...Mackal didn't suggest a eunuch eel, merely an extra-large version of a normal eel.Dr Karl Shukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222845702628862829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-31384156523810060192020-08-01T09:03:36.575+01:002020-08-01T09:03:36.575+01:00"in 2003 Richard Freeman of the CFZ suggested... "in 2003 Richard Freeman of the CFZ suggested that Nessie may well be a gigantic, sterile or eunuch specimen of the common eel Anguilla anguilla – one that did not swim out to sea and spawn but instead stayed in the loch, grew exceptionally long (8-9 m), lived to a much greater age than normal.."<br />Roy P Mackal was I believe the first to suggest this back in 70s or Eighties in his book The Monsters Of Loch Ness. This was based on his study of the eel populations of the loch and of studies of New Zealand eels.Martin Harrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12667331992294612673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-30337061935871246952016-05-10T17:22:57.335+01:002016-05-10T17:22:57.335+01:00Courtesy of Richard Muirhead, I now have a copy of...Courtesy of Richard Muirhead, I now have a copy of the 31 January 1934 article from the Northern Chronicle, and it does indeed quote diver Duncan MacDonald as stating that the creature was: "as big as a goat, or a good wedder". (A wedder is, in Scots dialect, a castrated male sheep.) All the best, KarlDr Karl Shukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222845702628862829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-16908967404883416932015-09-13T00:19:59.581+01:002015-09-13T00:19:59.581+01:00And the original published report of MacDonald'...And the original published report of MacDonald's encounter with this mysterious underwater creature whilst diving appeared in the Northern Chronicle newspaper on 31 January 1934. Hope this helps.Dr Karl Shukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222845702628862829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-29246343024168600852015-09-13T00:16:19.860+01:002015-09-13T00:16:19.860+01:00Hi Steve, I've finally found the reference des...Hi Steve, I've finally found the reference describing as goat-sized the frog-like creature seen by Duncan MacDonald. It features in the first paragraph of p. 123 in the Garnstone Press 1974 hardback edition of Peter Costello's book In Search of Lake Monsters. According to Costello: "It was as big as a goat or a wedder, and just stared at him with neither fear nor ferocity. (This story came from the diver's grand-nephew, Donald Frazer, lock-keeper at Fort Augustus.)"Dr Karl Shukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222845702628862829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-37979147890006042562015-01-27T15:55:26.870+00:002015-01-27T15:55:26.870+00:00Why is it hard to believe that Nessie is real? Aft...Why is it hard to believe that Nessie is real? After all, it resembles a water dinosaur and we know dinosaurs existed. Even the Bible in the Book Of Job mentions a water dinosaur called levithian. And that justs blows all theories apart that dinosaurs existed before man. Seems man and dinosaur existed together and may still to this day hence the Lochness monster. Anything is possible with God!Aggiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17854345486626713363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-58655306424543300122013-12-15T21:34:16.175+00:002013-12-15T21:34:16.175+00:00It doesn't provide all of the details, so I st...It doesn't provide all of the details, so I still need to rediscover whatever additional source I originally consulted, but at least it's a beginning.Dr Karl Shukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222845702628862829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-46701528636691175872013-12-15T21:15:27.566+00:002013-12-15T21:15:27.566+00:00Hi guys, I've found my source for the diver st...Hi guys, I've found my source for the diver story - it was in a reader's letter published on 9th December 1933 issue of the Dundee Courier and Advertiser. 9 December is my birthday, so that should have stuck in my memory, lol.<br /><br /><br />Dr Karl Shukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222845702628862829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-58040527143419932182013-11-11T13:19:10.729+00:002013-11-11T13:19:10.729+00:00Karl,
Any further on the original source for the ...Karl,<br /><br />Any further on the original source for the diver story at Loch Ness? You mention it happened at "Johnnies Point" which is a few miles up Loch Ness whereas Witchell places it at the entrance to the Caledonian Canal.<br />Glasgow Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03597014995112568086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-56652097488694688402013-09-21T05:37:36.618+01:002013-09-21T05:37:36.618+01:00The one duncan saw was a lot bigger than a goat.it...The one duncan saw was a lot bigger than a goat.it was huge.probably 20 feet plus.big enough to eat him.(thus his panic...)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-36311893853815677232013-08-28T14:29:20.447+01:002013-08-28T14:29:20.447+01:00Beavers and moose are not native to Scotland, so t...Beavers and moose are not native to Scotland, so they wouldn't apply. Some sightings involve clearly animate entities that are not merely passively floating logs or rotting vegetation, and mirages, optical illusions, and freak waves do not emerge onto land, whereas there is a sizeable list of land sightings of Nessie that do not match known species such as otters. Personally, I have no idea what Nessie is or whether there even is such a species, but I consider that within the bulk of eyewitness accounts are some that suggest a living species of unusual form that cannot be satisfactorily explained by the mainstream identities proposed by Nessie critics and sceptics.Dr Karl Shukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222845702628862829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-15421053149841105642013-08-28T03:50:39.219+01:002013-08-28T03:50:39.219+01:00I don't see any reason why the common misident...I don't see any reason why the common misidentification candidates ( logs, rotting vegetation, otters , ,beavers, moose, freak waves, optical illusions, and mirages) would be unable to explain the sightings which have not been demonstrated to be deliberate deceptions.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03904394883991936726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-61176105890122593492013-08-28T01:57:00.715+01:002013-08-28T01:57:00.715+01:00Not at all. Some have been soundly disproved, but ...Not at all. Some have been soundly disproved, but many other claimed refutations are merely theories, not confirmed fact.Dr Karl Shukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222845702628862829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-48810864674458228222013-08-28T01:03:09.384+01:002013-08-28T01:03:09.384+01:00Haven't all sightings of the loch ness monster...Haven't all sightings of the loch ness monster been shown to be either hoaxes or misidentification of known animals or mundane objects and phenomena?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03904394883991936726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-69491985519951376702013-07-30T14:39:12.830+01:002013-07-30T14:39:12.830+01:00Probably A lone, giant long lived marine turtle wh...Probably A lone, giant long lived marine turtle which somehow ended up trapped in the Loch because of flooding ? and whose neck undulates like a snake in addition to a very wide back acccording to some report, known as Aspidochelone by the ancient Greeks. I suppose it's the same creature than Morgawr or the creature seen by captain Cringle on board ss umfuli. A turtle which has developped toward a plesiosaurian shape due to convergent evolution.Bosnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-72199877642970444912013-07-28T11:14:30.876+01:002013-07-28T11:14:30.876+01:00Nessie sightings are probably the result of people...Nessie sightings are probably the result of people observing different animals/weather phenomena and imagination taking care of the rest. The sturgeon is the animal most likely responsible for the majority of animal-based sightings of Nessie.<br /><br />The answer to your question is that most people will say, "Well, what about the elevated head and neck? How do you explain that?" <br /><br />Of course, you can't have a perfect explanation for every sighting without going back and observing the original event yourself. There are simply too many unknown factors.The Cryptokeepernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-4945736625419274292013-07-27T18:37:46.512+01:002013-07-27T18:37:46.512+01:00Why thanks Karl! It's nothing to dig too deep...Why thanks Karl! It's nothing to dig too deeply for, but if you run across it again while looking for something else it would be nice to know. (It's not in Witchell, Holiday, Mackal, or Dinsdale's books, so no need to dig there -- the "goat" version of the account must come from a less-than-usual suspect). And if I run across it, I'll return and post a reply here.<br /><br />The frog-like description was always intriguing -- if that was based solely on the appearance of the head, it could just as well have been a salamander. Would that we could go back a hundred years and re-interview witnesses with questions like, "Did you see a tail?"<br /><br />I like to think I wouldn't run in panic from an amphibian if it was "only" goat-size, but then I wasn't in Duncan MacDonald's shoes (or diving suit). Heck, I jump for spiders. What's so interesting is that a goat-sized amphibian would be small enough to possibly represent the juvenile or larval form of an unclassified giant salamander, which if it occurred in Loch Ness of all places would certainly answer many an old question :><br /><br />Regards,<br />Steve<br /><br /><br />Steve Plambeckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09651489411808346005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-66924118342097175102013-07-25T19:38:23.383+01:002013-07-25T19:38:23.383+01:00Hi Steve, This blog post is a version of an articl...Hi Steve, This blog post is a version of an article of mine published back in 2008, so I'm not sure off the top of my head where I derived all of the info in it from, as I have dozens of books on Nessie and countless articles and papers on the subject too, plus sections re Nessie in numerous other cryptozoology books. So I'll have to go through them as an when I can, to find that for you, though I distinctly remember reading it, as the description conjured up in my mind a weird frog with goat legs LOL. Once I track it down (though it could be quite a time, unless I hit lucky straight away), I'll post details here. I did check Gould and Whyte, and it's not in their books, but like I say, I have plenty more needing checking too. All the best, KarlDr Karl Shukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222845702628862829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-73630968002564513342013-07-24T07:30:28.864+01:002013-07-24T07:30:28.864+01:00Hi Karl,
In the various sources where I've re...Hi Karl,<br /><br />In the various sources where I've read the Duncan MacDonald story, I've never run across a version that quoted him as saying "at least as big as a goat", or any reference to a size estimate of any kind. Could you tell us where you ran across that version? (My guess will be Gould or White, as those are the two books I can't get my hands on.)<br /><br />Many thanks!<br />Steve Plambeck<br />Steve Plambeckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09651489411808346005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-60896379134383055072013-07-23T23:52:22.723+01:002013-07-23T23:52:22.723+01:00If there is only one Loch Ness Monster, what about...If there is only one Loch Ness Monster, what about St. Columbo's sighting? One animal can't live several thousand years, right? But personally, I have difficulty believing in the Loch Ness Monster. I hope there's something there, and I believe something inspired these sightings, but I think that the Loch Ness Monster as we know it is little more than a fantasy. That said, has anybod here seen The Water Horse?The Thinkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01334704612432869150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-17794134379195360222013-07-23T20:00:44.531+01:002013-07-23T20:00:44.531+01:00I will definitely go for the eel theory:
-No need...I will definitely go for the eel theory:<br /><br />-No need for reproduction<br />-Perhaps sterile eels (hybrids) enter. A small number eventually reaches great size for some unknown reason<br />-No air breathing and bottom dweller<br />-Diverse food intake<br />-Occasional land transportation<br /><br />Probably the same kind of eels has given rise to lindorm stories in Scandinavia including water horses etc (horselike head, dorsal mane)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-76331637542432861232013-07-20T05:15:34.256+01:002013-07-20T05:15:34.256+01:00I'm really intrigued by the salamander theory....I'm really intrigued by the salamander theory. Would love to see more discussion of that, and of Jeremy Wade's theory that Nessie may be a Greenland shark.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-91584154899076080212013-07-19T20:02:55.241+01:002013-07-19T20:02:55.241+01:00An interesting compendium of resources for review ...An interesting compendium of resources for review and contemplation!<br /><br />Has it been previously considered that the 1972 Dr. Robert H. Rines expedition underwater flipper photo in searching Loch Ness possibly be the fin of a giant form of squid rather than a plesiosaur flipper? I have not seen any confirmation documentation discrediting this image, although it may exist.<br /> <br />Lolliguncula brevis or the Atlantic brief squid is a small fresh water squid known to live in the shallows of the Eastern Seaboard of the Western Atlantic Ocean. Is it possible that a larger yet to be discovered fresh or brackish water species squid, of the Loliginidae Family, lives near or has once lived near the Loch Ness River Inlets? <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com