tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post7342127632356264482..comments2024-03-22T21:58:18.933+00:00Comments on ShukerNature: THE NUNG-GUAMA AND THE NYAMATSANE – A COUPLE OF OBSCURE CRYPTO-PRIMATES FROM ONCE LONG AGO?Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15628598508836601012noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-314990584210053082022-10-05T21:50:59.820+01:002022-10-05T21:50:59.820+01:00Ben Wong has scanned in the first half of the book...Ben Wong has scanned in the first half of the book and published it as series of PDFs here: https://alumni.media.mit.edu/~benwong/ola/Ketutarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17817006362006690145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-22215828801876251552022-02-13T22:39:51.491+00:002022-02-13T22:39:51.491+00:00Thank you for this post, which I'm coming acro...Thank you for this post, which I'm coming across only now. I too had Once Long Ago as a child, and the story of the Nung-Guama became part of our family lore. Only now, while re-reading the chapter, Shaman, in Maxine Hong Kingston's memoir, The Woman Warrior it occurred to me that the nung-guama might be a version of the story of the ape-man that she remembers her mother telling her. <br />I'd like to share a post from my own blog, also a decade old, in which I include the nung-guama story:<br />https://josna.wordpress.com/2012/10/19/162-heuch-heuch-and-other-family-lingo/<br />Best wishes, <br />JRJosnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04987044013732375672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-24108302644893477162021-01-21T15:05:33.620+00:002021-01-21T15:05:33.620+00:00Wonderful, thank you SO MUCH - the only copy of th...Wonderful, thank you SO MUCH - the only copy of this book I can find now is almost £500, so we are using these images and words between four sibling families to create a Zoom puppet show for my brothers 50th birthday. My late Dad loved reading this aloud to us and we frequently still quote it. Much appreciated!ClareGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10639516910808368474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-91702888747327057492020-05-17T10:38:36.447+01:002020-05-17T10:38:36.447+01:00Unfortunately, I have no idea. It must have been o...Unfortunately, I have no idea. It must have been out of print for many years now as a hard-copy book. It may be worth your while Googling it to see if a downloadable version is indeed available. It is a truly beautiful, fascinating book, well worth reading if you can obtain it. Occasionally a copy appears on ebay or abebooks, so they would be worth your checking too.Dr Karl Shukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222845702628862829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-66766953092419402202020-05-17T06:15:28.410+01:002020-05-17T06:15:28.410+01:00Is the full book available as a soft copy download...Is the full book available as a soft copy download ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-61991914163436151662019-03-18T01:14:58.191+00:002019-03-18T01:14:58.191+00:00I do too, and it remains the same for me as well. ...I do too, and it remains the same for me as well. Mom bought it for me and I must have read it countless times as a child, absolutely loved it, and I still do.Dr Karl Shukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222845702628862829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-65894831449096417332019-03-17T21:24:28.718+00:002019-03-17T21:24:28.718+00:00I have a copy of "Once Long Ago" from my...I have a copy of "Once Long Ago" from my childhood and it remains one of my dearest possessions. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16103746122161466877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-62054008804658891312018-02-04T06:40:16.653+00:002018-02-04T06:40:16.653+00:00Thank you so much for bringing this illustration t...Thank you so much for bringing this illustration to my attention, which I'd never seen before. Funnily enough, I do have some of Andrew Lang's colour-named fairy books, but not the Pink one.Dr Karl Shukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222845702628862829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-87535368452535187772018-02-03T22:05:22.777+00:002018-02-03T22:05:22.777+00:00There's another illustration of the nyamatsané...There's another illustration of the nyamatsanés in Andrew Lang's "Pink Fairy Book," reproduced here (at the bottom): http://nydamprintsblackandwhite.blogspot.com/2016/04/mythical-n.htmlAnne E.G. Nydamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02406524149458743460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-70430254676989101412012-08-26T00:18:18.134+01:002012-08-26T00:18:18.134+01:00@Andrew - Funnily enough, I had wondered about a l...@Andrew - Funnily enough, I had wondered about a link with the chiang-shih too, because I researched this entity recently as I needed to write a short story based upon it for a new book that I am writing, and it did call to mind the nung-guama.Dr Karl Shukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222845702628862829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-41958952802619891082012-08-24T22:00:46.899+01:002012-08-24T22:00:46.899+01:00It could be an Anglicization of some other Chinese...It could be an Anglicization of some other Chinese name, though. The first part of the second element could be something similar to 'gui' or 'kuei' (demon or goblin). Ma would be 'horse.' It does also remind me of Japanese oni somewhat. Plus, there was an old Korean monster movie, Wangmagwi, where the thing looks similar. Granted, Wangmagwi was supposed to be a space monster but it very well could have been based on something in mythology. I recall hearing another Chinese tale where some guy's wife ended up being some monster dressed in a human skin that looked somewhat similar to this. That creature wasn't given a name, though. The Chinese also had these big hairy green giant vampire things. Usually, I think they're just lumped in with the chiang-shih.Andrew D. Gablehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13270538788314012863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-58102978627980525402011-04-09T11:16:36.588+01:002011-04-09T11:16:36.588+01:00It's certainly an interesting theory, Dale, bu...It's certainly an interesting theory, Dale, but if you read the full story of the nung-guama either in Once Long Ago or in Green's entire book of the story, it is unequivocally Chinese, with all sorts of little Sinian twists and details in it. And as Green was well known not only as an accurate chronicler of world folktales but also as someone who was indeed very much interested in their telling and presentation, I think it exceedingly unlikely that he would have converted an African folktale into a Chinese one, as to do so would have severely damaged his professional standing and reputation for authoritative, accurate documentation of such stories.Dr Karl Shukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222845702628862829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-47873769855550813302011-04-08T13:50:06.971+01:002011-04-08T13:50:06.971+01:00No, the nung-guama story is definitely Chinese, as...No, the nung-guama story is definitely Chinese, as would be readily seen from the text and also the other illustrations if I'd reproduced the entire 4-page folktale from Once Long Ago here.Dr Karl Shukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222845702628862829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3739684561063978507.post-16448057067903960882011-04-08T13:37:20.436+01:002011-04-08T13:37:20.436+01:00Interesting that the author said the first creatur...Interesting that the author said the first creature was Chinese, I could have sworn both names were African. If both were African I could have some suggestions for you, namely that both names were types of legendary ogres <em> that could also transform themselvers into water-monsters</em> However, my information is a poor match for yours. If that assumption were actually correct, then the Ngung-Guama would be basically identical to the Muhalu (Mulahu)<br /><br />Best Wishes, Dale D.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com